Jan. 7, 2026

Stranger McRib Things | Wednesday 01.07.26

Stranger McRib Things | Wednesday 01.07.26
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We start off talking about the new class action lawsuit against McDonalds regarding the meat in a McRib. And then we discuss the series finale of Stranger Things and Dan really tries to sell Raj on why he should watch it. Will it work?

LINKS:

McDonald's Faces Class Action Lawsuit Over Fan-Favorite McRib Sandwich

Netflix Releasing a ‘Stranger Things 5’ Making-of Documentary


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It is time to leave your worries outside and laugh

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with us inside the Treehouse. I'm Dan O'Malley along with

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Trey Trendholm and Raj Sharma. So much happening already early

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into this brand new year, not the least of which

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is this shocking story. A class action lawsuit filed in

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Illinois claims that McDonald's McRib sandwich does not contain any

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actual pork rib meat. I thought this has been covered

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many times over the years that it never did. We

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all knew it didn't right, and most of us just

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didn't question because it was tasty.

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I never had it, have you.

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I didn't think McDonald's ever even claimed that it had

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rib meat.

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That's kind of where I'm at, Like, sure, we call

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it the McRib, but there's nothing in the real world

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actually called the mcribs or they're just creating things. But

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now there's a group of people that feel like, hey,

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you said rib, therefore you're implying and advertising rib meat

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in the McRib sandwich. But there isn't any. So now

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we're going to file a lawsuit and that's exactly what's happened,

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and they filed it in Illinois, where McDonald's is based.

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Chicago based fast food giant McDonald's released a statement after

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a class action complaint alleged the company misled customers, saying

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the chain's popular Mcribs sandwich does not contain any actual

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pork rib meat at all. The lawsuit was filed two

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days before Christmas and was brought by four individuals who

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claim McDonald's knowingly markets the sandwich in a way that

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deceives reasonable customers, with the planineiffs alleging the sandwich is

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actually constructed using are you ready ground up portions of

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lower quality pork products such as pork shoulder heart and

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everyone's favorite scalded stomach hmm. The suit also says the

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sandwich is among the most expensive individual item on the

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McDonald's menus, costing up to seven dollars and eighty nine

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cents at some locations, and according to the lawsuit, pork

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grib meat is traditionally considered a premium cut and lower

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grade cuts are less valuable. Hence the website I'm sorry,

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hence the lawsuit, and McDonald's on its website says The

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mcgrib consists of seasoned, boneless pork dipped in a tangy

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barbecue sauce, topped with slivered onions and tiny pickles, all

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served on a toasted home style bun, and also describes

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the meat as a quote unquote pork patty.

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Right.

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I think some of these, I mean, obviously this is

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just they're hoping to get some cash. And if you're

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eating the McRib, you're really concerned about the cut of meat.

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Look, I get it if they are truly truly advertising

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it as some sort of high end thing, like like

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like take Arby's for example, I think they actually like

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they had something on their menu that had pork belly

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on it, and that is now considered a high end

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menu item and it's very popular among high end restaurants.

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Pork belly is so the fact that Arby's had it

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on their menu is like WHOA. Also, because Arby's had

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it on their menu, a lot of us are like, WHOA,

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I don't want their pork belly because it may not

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be very good because it's fast food style. Kind of

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the same thing with the McDonald's. Right, If I want

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high end ribs, I'm not at McDonald's ordering the mcribs sandwich.

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I'm going to go to Hurtado or Prakhan Lodge or

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something like that.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to assume McDonald's because

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the Big Mac didn't do a bad morning show.

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Well said, hey. Yeah. A total of sixteen court claims

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were listed in the suit, including fraudulent omission or concealment,

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fraudulent misrepresentation, negligent misrepresentation, fraud, breach of contract, and the

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violation of state consumer protection laws in California, Illinois, New York,

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and Washington. D C McDonald's issued this statement saying, this

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lawsuit distorts the facts and many of the claims are inaccurate.

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Food quality and safety or at the heart of everything

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we do heart. That's why we're committed to using real

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quality the ingredients across our entire menu. Our fan favorite

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McRib sad which is made with one hundred percent pork

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sourced from farmers and suppliers across the US. See, there

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you go. That's something important to keep in mind. You're

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McRib sam which may have a little bit of pig

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from California, some from North Carolina, it's from all over.

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It's an American sandwich to be sure. They also say

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we've always been transparent about our ingredients so guests can

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make the right choice for them. The mcgrib's history is

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actually pretty fascinating, dates back decades, having first been introduced

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onto menus in nineteen eighty one. In a year since,

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it has returned on a limited basis, which the lawsuit

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stated compounded consumer confusions surrounding the true contents of the item.

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The more I read about this, the more it's such

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a just bs lawsuit. Well you didn't. It's like, there's

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no there's no actual rib meat in it. It costs

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too much, and we don't know when it's coming, so

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then we're confused about it. That's the point. It drives

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up interest. So when it does all of a sudden

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drop out of the you know, a barbecue sauce sky,

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everyone clamors for it because they know it's only for

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a limited time.

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I mean, we've read stories over the years of people

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crossing multiple state lines to go get the McRib. Here's

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the thought. If you're that worried, don't eat it.

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Also, let's keep in mind, I feel like this lawsuit

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is more of an attack on common sense than it

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is on misleading marketing. It's called the McRib, right, But

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when you see it, it kind of looks like a

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small portion of a little baby back rib thing, right,

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But common sense tells you if you're eating an actual

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small portion of baby back ribs and you see the

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little protrusions, you're not supposed to be able to chew

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through that because that's bone. So when you bite into

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the McRib and the rib part doesn't have any bone,

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is that'sn't They don't realize about. What they're mad about

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is that the thing doesn't have any bone in it

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because the little protrusion is meant to look like bone,

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but it's all meat, so the whole thing is not real.

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It just tastes really good, so people want to eat it.

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I'm gonna try it now. I've never had it, so no,

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I have to try it.

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I imagine, like most things ras, you'll eat it at

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this point in your life and you'll hate it because

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you didn't enjoy it as a child.

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First, it's not a Christmas story. It's the McRib.

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I bet in your eyes and your mouth both will

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be equally disgusting because you already don't like Christmas stories.

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So I assume you probably won't like the mcgrib.

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I like pickles, I like onions, I like barbecue sauce.

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I like pork. If it's got all of those.

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Technically, yeah, technically, I mean it's basically like just like

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a really tang yoga Matt.

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Now, I'm definitely not having it, and we invented yoga.

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So but I'll give it a shot.

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I can't.

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I mean, you can file a lawsuit against anybody today

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that's for anything, right, so they'll win, they'll settle out.

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They're not going to take this to court.

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It would take too much time, it would take too

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much money out of McDonald's pockets for all of their

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lawyers to you know, go to a courtroom and sit

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there and deal with these people.

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Then file the class action. Lots of that's amazing, you

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know what.

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Honestly, it's it's a great idea for a quick payday.

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I say quick sure in terms of judicial process processes,

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because your hope is not so much that you win,

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it's that you get some sort of a settlement to

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be told.

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To go away.

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I hope everybody gets. I hope as they can hope

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for it.

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I hope everybody gets seven dollars and eighty nine cents

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and a McRib.

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The ultimate settlement.

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That's that's how they settle it.

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You get the cost of the sandwich plus the sandwich.

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Now go away, all right exactly?

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That that sounds fair. If I was I was on

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the McDonald's team, I was like, that sounds.

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About right, Like if you were one of the plaintiffs,

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or if you were one of the plaintiffs attorneys.

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No, if I was, if I was on the if

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I was one of the attorneys from McDonald's, I'd be like,

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here's what we give them. Yeah, that's more of midfuck

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the website cook dfw dot com. One of the biggest

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news makers over the holidays was the finale of Stranger Things.

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I watched it on New Year's Day. Watched it that,

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you know, throughout the entirety of the holiday break, all

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the volumes and again, and then that final episode on

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New Year's Day. Raj, You've not seen a single episode.

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All you know is that some kid talks through lights

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and that's stupid. And then there's Trey Trey. Last time

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you and I talked about it, you had not seen

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the finale yet. You'd seen like the first half of

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the final season, but not the finale. But then you

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said you have now seen all of Stranger Things.

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I have.

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My first question to you is this, Before you watched

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the finale, did you read or look at any social

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media stuff going into it. Did you read any news stories,

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read any fan theories about what people thought might happen

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or what should happen.

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I try to avoid them at all costs, so I

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can't say I didn't see some questions, but I did

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not read like I think. Probably the thing I read

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that stuck with me is about the Duffer brothers saying

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that you know, it's up to the viewers to in

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their imagination to what actually happened with eleven.

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Gotcha, Raj, I'm gonna speak to you for a moment.

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And obviously anyone that has not seen any of Stranger Things,

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it's a throwback nostalgia thing from the eighties, kids on

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bicycles going around doing things which we all can identify with,

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and you know when we were growing up. The difference

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is being we didn't have other worldly monsters chasing us

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and trying to kidnap us for various reasons. But the

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rest of it's still it feels pretty familiar. So that's

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what you dealt with for five seasons. And I made

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the mistake of reading a bunch of the fan theory

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stuff before the final episode. And this is what's difficult

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with a series. Whether it's Game of Thrones, whether it's

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name any other successful television series, and people are always

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having issues with how they ended The Sopranos. I mean

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it's never ending. Really. The New Heart Show, I remember

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like it was Bob Newhart waking up, or it was

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New Heart where he at Their last episode was Bob

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Newhart waking up in bed next to his wife from

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The Bob Newhart Show, which was a previous series he

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worked on. Right, So, I mean there's all these different

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ways to do a finale. I read so many fan

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theories on what people thought was going to happen or

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what they thought should happen that it left me kind

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of feeling eh about the finale. Really yeah, and I

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think I spoiled it. I think had they just released

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that final episode as one big movie and not given

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a week to breathe from the previous episode to the

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actual finale episode, I think it would have served them better.

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I think in that week there was such a vacuum

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that people started filling the void with their own thoughts,

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and I read some really good ones where I was like, Ooh,

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that would be cool if that happened, and then those

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things didn't happened. And they followed a more linear ending

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kind of a thing. And now it seems that from

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what I have seen, people are divided on whether they

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loved it or they hated it. Me I was like,

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it was okay, I liked it. I didn't hate it.

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But that's kind of where I finished on it. What

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about you, tre I thought it was fantastic.

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I thought overall, for a final season of a show

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that's been that popular, I thought they did a fantastic job.

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I would put it probably a top ten of all

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time of you know, the way to finish a show.

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And I thought the last episode lived up to it.

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I was very pleased. You I thought they had done

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enough foreshadowing to know, here's a spoiler alert, uh that

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you know Eleven wasn't coming back. You knew something was

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going to happen to her. But then the way they

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go back and revisit that at the end, when you know,

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with the D and D game and talking about it,

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I thought it left it excellent way of going maybe yeah,

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uh so, I I thought that my Oh, I probably

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my only complaint about the the last episode especially was

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fucking Winona Ryders, you know, hacking his head off. Uh, yeah,

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I've got let someone else do it.

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Kind of felt like Will may have earned that. Yeah, yeah,

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I will say after like after they had just beaten

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the mind Flair and I, and they showed Joyce standing

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there because they're all taking on the mind flare, and

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then Joyce is standing there and she's got that axe

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strapped to her back. It's like, was she ever planning

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on using that thing? And then she eventually does, but

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she got to say the big line and it was

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sort of and then she got to be don't mess

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with mama type of situation. So before we jump into

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Raj laughing at us wholeheartedly, which thank you for laughing

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quietly in the corner, Rash, I want to say this, Trey,

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I am envious. I wish that I had ignored as

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much as possible, as far as any fan in theories,

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any ideas, any anything, and just gone from the previous episode,

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not see anything, go straight into the final And I

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think I would have felt the same way you do

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because I allowed myself to go down too many rabbit

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holes on theories. It kind of spoiled it a little

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bit for me from the enjoyment. So what I'm going

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to do is I'm going to rewatch it because there

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were moments of it I absolutely loved, and just try

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to rewatch it knowing what happens, and then just try

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to enjoy it in the moment.

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I especially with stuff like that, I really try to avoid.

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I forgot what show people hyped up. It's like, oh

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my god, it was so fantastic, And then by the

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time I watched it, I was like, nah, So I

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really tried to avoid reading anything about it, and yeah,

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I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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All right, Raj, what has you giggling over there?

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Like a judgmental demogratic no, no, no, So growing up,

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I was always the nerd, and now I get to

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watch two nerds talk to each other and this it

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was so joyful.

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Like and that's why, you, guys, it's just just watch

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the joy out of you.

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Guys. You would love the show because it's a show

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about nerds, and I got out of that phase. But

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it's nostalgia, that's the whole thing.

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It's nostalgia. And it's also a little bit about role

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reversal in a way, it's flipping the script from what

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you know you did as a kid versus what you

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do as an adult, right, Trey, did you ever play

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Dungeons and Dragons when you were a kid?

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A little?

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I did not have the patients for.

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I didn't either. I didn't have any friends that had

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it and played it. If they had, maybe I would

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have betrayed you and I. We grew up playing lots

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of sports, so that took up the bulk of our youths.

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We were playing basketball and football and baseball and practicing

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in games and tournaments instead of D and D tournaments. Then,

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as adults, while we can still relate to a lot

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of the activities as children of the eighties, we now

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followed this what was, in essence a cinematic Dungeons and

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Dragons quest from the eighties, and we loved it, even

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though we really didn't play it as kids. So we

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were Jocks's kids nerds as adults, Raj nerd kid. Keeping

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in mind, Raj did play a little football, it's what

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he's famous for, but mostly a nerd and now Raj

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doesn't want to have anything to do with nerd stuff

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as an adult.

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Oh, I went to my I'm not going to say

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his name, but I went to my buddy's house because

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he invited me over and they were playing Dungeons Dragons

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brand new. This is eighty seven eighty six and I

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walked in and I was like, what is happening right now?

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And they're like, oh, it's a role playing game. And

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this is when I got out of my nerd phase.

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I was like, I'm leaving because this is fucking stupid.

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And that's when I was like, it's time to play

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some football. It's time to get hit, and not for

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being a nerd. It's just time to get hit. It's

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just for being small and weak. Yeah, of course, good

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old fashioned way.

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Fuck.

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Yeah.

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I tried, but I saw it and I was like,

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this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

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Uh.

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And somebody was like, you know, I'm a level nine magi,

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and I'm like, get the stop. But I don't. I

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don't care anymore.

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I gotta leave your your Chris and you live with

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your dad, like you're not a level nine anything like stop.

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That's why he needs the game.

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Somehow.

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Yeah, that's the only way he could be important and

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level up in life is to play the game.

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Yeah, so I was out immediately on that.

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I'll also say one of the other things I thought

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they did incredibly well, which was hard to do. Is

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because that series what lasted ten years? Yeah?

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Yeah, the span of ten years, Tony, Yeah, yeah, ten years.

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The fact that they really seamlessly aged them where it

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was still believable. They were still young enough you could

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pull off, you know, high school seniors whatever.

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I thought all of it. I thought the really excellent job.

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And that's why I said I want to go back.

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Go ahead, Rush, Sorry, you said you would put it

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in your top ten of finales.

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M wow, that is bold.

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Yeah.

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So again I'm envious that that you didn't do the

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reading stuff in between, and that's why I want to

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go back and rewatch it sort of. I mean, it's

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not fresh eyes. I have already seen it, but just

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watch it just to try to enjoy it more and

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instead of thinking, oh, is this thing gonna happen that

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may or may not happen, you know, I.

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Want to go back and watch the entire I want

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to go I want to start with season one. And

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I'm kind of curious now if you pick up on it,

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because now that I have read about it, you know,

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people are saying, oh, they were Easter eggs left all

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over the place, and now I'm curious if those stand out.

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They will.

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They're going to stand out like sore thumbs. They're gonna

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stand out like Vechno's left thumb, because that's the that's

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the I saw the rabbit holes I went down, and

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I mean that literally figuratively, because season five was very

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much an Alison Wonderland, you know, inspired thing. So going

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down the rabbit hole is Alice in Wonderland. That's exactly

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what this final season followed. It was a little bit

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of a wrinkle in time, but a lot of Alice

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in Wonderland. And so when you read and you see

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certain things that happened in Alice in Wonderland, all those

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things happen in Stranger Things five when you go back

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and I also fell down the easter Egg rabbit hole,

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you know in before the you know, in Vecna's little

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layer in the other dimension with a little what looks

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like a tree. I knew that. I always knew that

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was the spider leg thing. But that was on a

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poster all the way back in like season one, in

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someone's bedroom, and you saw it over Mike and L's shoulder.

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It's right there, that same effing bush slash tree thing

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is right there. There's hints all over the damn place.

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So yeah, when you go back and watch from season one,

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there's at one point there's a freeze frame. I think

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it's around when Will gets abducted or when they're in

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the middle of like a dark street. Right you see Vecna's.

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Big left hand.

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So unless they went back and put that stuff in

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there digitally after the fact, that stuff was in there

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from day one.

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See, that's a I've seen some of that stuff and

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I always I wonder if that's just clickbait and they've

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gone back and added that into an image.

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That's what I would do, because that's also the reason

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I'm going to double down on the nerd dimrage. That's

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also what I think George Lucas did. Because George Lucas

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says to this day that he had the entire whole

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trilogy thing, the whole Vader Star Wars thing, mapped out

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from what we know to be episode one through like

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episode six, but he decided to do only episode four

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because he thought that would be the standalone thing. I

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think he's full of shit. I think what he did

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was he wrote that movie and then he was like,

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oh my god, this is bigger than I ever expected.

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I'm kind of had a couple of ideas of where

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this could go, and then he eventually said I had

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this thing planned all alone. I just don't believe.

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H Yeah, because they were books.

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slash tree House on Air, Trey, when you said Star

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Wars books, she meant that George Lucas did the movies

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because someone had written books already. Okay, that's the thing

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I always forget about that. I always remember like George

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Lucas like, oh no, I had this idea and this

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is what happened. And then I always felt like it

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was just him being full of it, saying like, oh

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I had this whole thing played, I just did this

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one first. And that's when I wondered, if stranger Things

470
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.079
guys are doing the same thing. Oh, Vecna's been in

471
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.480
here all along, Hey, Tim, go put that hand back

472
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.680
in season one so they'll see it. Same thing with

473
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:41.480
like the little thing on the poster on the wall.

474
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:42.880
I don't know.

475
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.079
Well, and that's why, Yeah, Star Wars there were always

476
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.599
nine books, like, and my understanding was Lucas picked the

477
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.960
fourth one because he thought it was the most adaptable

478
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.279
to film, and he's.

479
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:57.720
Right, it was.

480
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.599
I just thought that that was more like revisionist history,

481
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.119
where it was like he did the movie and then

482
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:04.720
there were some books and things, and he's like, ah see,

483
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:05.279
I told.

484
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:10.640
You now, they were always They're always there. That was

485
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.799
just one of those, you know, in on the.

486
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:16.440
No.

487
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.279
I guess that was the first one. I mean, I

488
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:19.759
guess he took a flyer on it, because then I

489
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.960
was to say, then Star Trek, you know, rebooted there,

490
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.880
you know, based on the success of uh Star Wars.

491
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.519
But uh No, what I was talking about is with

492
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:32.319
internet in today's a like, I see those things now

493
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:34.440
about oh hey, look, you know because I've seen now

494
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:37.319
that I've allowed myself, I've seen the finale and I've

495
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.119
now looked at the post are the are there is

496
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.799
that stuff actually in season one? Or have they gone

497
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:48.079
back and and edit it and added something in that

498
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:49.400
that makes it look that way?

499
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:50.200
Yeah?

500
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.160
See, And this is why I think my ultimate, my

501
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.880
only criticism is it can't okay, let me start over.

502
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:08.200
It's unfair to criticize creators filmmakers to this degree. When you,

503
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.240
as a viewer or a watch or whatever, didn't like

504
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:16.319
the way something happened, that's just too effing bad. That's

505
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.880
not your decision to make, you know why, It's actually

506
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.079
not your story. It's those guys' story. They're the ones

507
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.480
that wrote it. They're the ones that came up with

508
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:28.559
the idea. They're the ones that put in the work,

509
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.880
the effort to design it, the concept, the story, all

510
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.480
the character arcs, all of it. You cannot like how

511
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:39.079
they finished it all day long. It's not going to

512
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:43.920
change the outcome. And where I the only critique that

513
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.960
I would offer, not that they would ever come to

514
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.519
me and ask, is not to have that week off

515
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:54.039
in that final episode for people to then, you know,

516
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:59.720
set certain expectations, drum up certain theories or whatever, just

517
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.960
the thing out and let people just consume it like

518
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:05.559
a movie does. And then that way they don't have

519
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.200
time to think about what could have been or what

520
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.240
might be. Instead they just take it for what is.

521
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.880
I think if they had done that, I think they

522
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:21.319
wouldn't have near the issues with anyone nay saying the finale.

523
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.720
I think they go like, here's the movie boom, here's

524
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.240
the show boom, and you don't have time to think

525
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:27.920
about those other things. And I think they would have

526
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:31.160
been better off as far as public opinion goes or not.

527
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:31.720
I don't know.

528
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.400
Well, I mean the way you guys are talking about this.

529
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:40.359
I'm gonna start watching today. I'm gonna start watching the show.

530
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.440
You might love it. I mean, look, I've lost to

531
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.359
you completely.

532
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.519
I'm lying to you completely. I'm not going to for

533
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:48.559
this show at all.

534
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.480
What else are you gonna do on your next emergency

535
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:53.079
room visit?

536
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.000
They had NCIS on. It was great.

537
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.640
Roger. Here's the thing. There are lots of those bleeds

538
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.720
in stranger things. It's immediately relatable to you in your

539
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:04.680
current medical plight.

540
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:09.920
I'd rather watch Mark Harmon.

541
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:21.240
I think I disagree with you, Dan. I think that

542
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.039
you're always going to have the people in this day

543
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.839
and age, everyone's going to pick it apart no matter

544
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.680
what you do. And I actually I thought it was

545
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:36.200
It was brilliant the way they released it, because, especially

546
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.720
between the Christmas Day drop and then the New Year's

547
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.920
New Year's Eve drop Year's it gave you just enough

548
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:49.759
time to watch. And for some reason, the Internet does

549
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.079
seem to be good about at least giving things about

550
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.599
forty eight seventy two hours before they just literate with spoilers.

551
00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:59.559
That is one of the few things that people on

552
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.279
the inner that have kind of come together on is

553
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.359
I'm not going to be the dick that spoils this

554
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.759
thing for everybody because if I do, I get docked,

555
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.920
I get death threats, I can't go outside anymore kind

556
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:16.799
of thing. So in that way, the Internet also remains undefeated.

557
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.839
But you are right. What happens when you delay that

558
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.000
final release for that week is you do create that

559
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.680
vacuum and there's no conclusion to the stories, so people

560
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.480
start coming up with their own stuff and sharing it.

561
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.799
So the amount of buzz and everything going into that

562
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.400
final episode is then amplified. So if you want to

563
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:47.359
deal with backlash, then have the gap. If you want

564
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:53.359
to capitalize on virality of it being talked about being

565
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.920
in the public consciousness for an entire week, then have

566
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.519
the gap. So it's like a it's an interesting case

567
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.160
study to see how you would want to do, you know,

568
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.960
a finale type of thing like this.

569
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:11.359
But it also speaks volumes about how how the fans

570
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.000
feel about that show that they're doing that.

571
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.480
Yeah, I tell you, man, there were some really good ideas,

572
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.039
and that's going to be the worst thing as a creator.

573
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:22.519
Like if I'm one of the Duffer brothers and I

574
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.359
read one of these ideas and like, fuck, that's better

575
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.440
than what we did. I wish we had Tim from

576
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.319
Indiana in the writer's.

577
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:37.000
Room, yeah, which I love, like the sopranos and friends

578
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.599
and all that stuff. Like, everybody had their own ideas.

579
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.799
Friends luckily was at the beginning of the Internet age

580
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.319
when that started. But everybody had their own ideas of

581
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.400
what was going to happen because there were such huge

582
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.119
fans of the show. So that's always nice. So you

583
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.559
know how important your show is to some people.

584
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:08.920
You're really not going to watch shuck non.

585
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:14.639
I would be more surprised by Raj voting for Trump

586
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:21.320
that I would be by him watching Stranger Things. I'm sorry,

587
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.960
I would be more surprised than voting for Trump.

588
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.920
I'm gonna start watching Stranger Things now because.

589
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.480
It's funny you mentioned that, because I think the US

590
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.280
military has a great sense of humor. Because is it

591
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.079
just me? Or that photo they released of Nicholas Maduro,

592
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.199
was he ready to go in into a tank just

593
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.719
like eleven from Stranger Things with the goggles in the

594
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.800
ear mubs he had beats by drey d That was dope.

595
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:58.599
I think those are bombs. It's the new it's the

596
00:34:58.679 --> 00:34:59.159
new model.

597
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.039
I like to think they were looping that his speech

598
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:05.239
where he said come and get him.

599
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:12.519
You know it, you know cause is good. Yeah, you

600
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.079
still got to listen to the lyrics, bro.

601
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.199
They might even drop bombs and sequence just to give

602
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:19.079
it a good baseline.

603
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.679
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