Episode 38: The Treehouse Gets SINISTER

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It's time to leave your worries outside
and join us here in the treehouse.

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I'm Dan, O'Malley, along with
Trey, trend Home and Trey. I

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don't know if you were, if
you were noticing our sweet guests, very

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excited, Faith William orbit ish not
actual but ish intro. So we don't

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get sued. When the music came
on. Heather, your face lit.

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It's such a I mean, that
is such a core memory for me in

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my life, that sound and the
two of you, your voices. So

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the fact that I'm in the treehouse, it is a dream come true right

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now. Thank you for having me. That's our pleasure. So this is

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a very interesting tale. It's a
very interesting turn of situations and events.

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The very short abbreviated version is many
years ago. Heather McKinney here from sinister

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Hood. Yeah, the sinister Hood
podcast, which can be found everywhere and

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in a lot more places, with
a lot more success than the Treehouse.

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But eventually we may get there.
Heather is from sinister Hood. But before

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she did that, many many years
ago, she was what our old radio

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host Russ Martin would refer to as
a lowly listener, just a lowly listener,

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just a lowly listener growing up in
Dallas, listening to me and Tray

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and Russ and everybody else make absolute
asses of ourselves on the radio day in,

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day out. And she was there, Trey, she was there for

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all of it. Until eventually she
moves to Chicago. Missus Dallas keeps listening

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to the show on the dot fm
website so she feels connected to home,

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and then eventually moves back because she
missed us so much. And then and

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this is where you know, facts
get fuzzy, but it's good. Then

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she restalks the show after we get
laid off on the radio and finds us

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in podcast for him and says,
Hey, Dan, I'm crazy successful in

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podcasting. You need help. I
was like, oh, no, Dan,

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are you okay? Not at all. I'm very excited to be here,

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and I'm excited that the show is
digital because now I don't have to

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download m P three's to my little
iPod Mini like I used to back in

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the day when I was in college
and had to listen to you on the

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l train on my little iPod.
I'm just glad that you had the iPod

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and didn't go to zoom route.
No. I did not have a zoom,

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but I did. I will say
I lived alone in Chicago for a

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while before I got a roommate in
college, and I just an apartment by

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myself, and you know, you
just want background noise. And I didn't

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have cable because I was a poor
college student. So I would turn you

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guys up pretty loud on my speaker, to the point where my neighbors would

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kind of be like, do you
have roommates? And there they like like

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blowing things up and drinking a lot
and laughing, and I'm like, yes,

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I live with five men and they're
constantly just yelling at each other.

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They do have a beet button that
they use in the apartment. It's weird.

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They won't to swear out loud,
like like they'll they'll destroy any number

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of city ordinances related to fireworks and
firearms and drinking and whatnot. But but

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heaven forbid someone drop an F bomb
exactly. Yeah, they're blowing literally they're

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blowing their boss up. But it's
fine. But no, I listened to

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you guys so much and so loud
that yeah, that sound of the intro

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music, the outra music, all
of it was the whiskey cork pop.

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It's just core memories for me.
In college. In high school discussed something

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very briefly. I'm gonna you you
you mentioned something I need to Oh,

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we we gotta do something. It
is funny how the show opened music.

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It became very Pavlovian for me because
even after I left the show, I

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would hear it and and you have
to under like the just the general stomach

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acid that when that because I used
to compare producing the show. I said,

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you know, you would lay out
this roadmap of you know, at

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the time three to seven, and
you know, stop here, we'll stop

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here, we'll visit there, whatever. And then at three fifteen when Russ

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you know, started the music and
crack the mics open, you just took

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that sheet, crumpled it up,
threw it away, and hung on for

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dear life. Yeah. And the
stomach acid that would, you know,

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as associated with that. And so
for years when I would hear that show

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open music, it would just instill
this feeling of anxious dread of what's going

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to happen today. It's really horrifying
that for me, the Pavlovian was like,

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oh, I get to hang out
with my friends and you were like,

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oh, the abuse is about to
begin. Well, you know,

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here's a little behind the scenes.
I mean, we talked about it some,

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but a lot of people always thought
it was kind of a bit.

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But most days, whether afternoon's,
mornings, whatever, we would be sitting

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there waiting, we would have you
know, we've done our end, and

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then Russ would just come strolling in
at three fifteen or whatever, and you

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never knew what kind of mood he
was in. It was and he terribly

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pissed off. They crack opened the
mics and you know, he's just goofy

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as hell and vice versa. So
it it was scarring and uh but yeah,

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a lot of stomach acid when you
would hear that music. It's a

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it's a lot of shared traumatic experiences. See. Yeah, So the part

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that Tray was conveniently able to skip
out on the last handful of years when

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we were at the Eagle, see
Tray Tray remembers three fifteen and would keep

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an eye on the door because you
know, if Russ is going to come

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in around that time. It used
to be three h five, then it

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would just kind of slowly creep up. Then it would be like three twenty

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sometimes, but then the last few
years we'd be looking at the studio door

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and he just didn't walk through it
at all. Well, that's definitely different.

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Like, Okay, well we're going
to go with the show today because

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Rough Martin's not here, so it's
just the show. But the good news

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is, like Trey said, we
were already really used to just scrapping whatever

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we thought we were going to do
and just having to wing it right.

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But since but since you mentioned,
you know, the show intro, the

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show outro, the things that you
like to hear, the things that make

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you feel like home. Yeah,
waited, why are you edging with that

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bottle right now? Stop? I
learned from the best, Heather. You

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have to you have to you have
to edge the have to edge the whiskey

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bottle. I would like to point
out. I would like to point out

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right now, it's only it's only
been seven minutes, Heather, and you

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just threw out a punchline that Russ
never would have got because he didn't know

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from Waiting or everything yet man did
was premature, including die. If you

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ever had sex from the Russ Martin, you are maybe entitled to compensation.

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I'm just kidding. You are entitled
to compensation. God help you. This

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as a huge Rust Martin fan who
completely like changed the way I do broadcasting

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and comedy and stuff. But like, I'm sure interpersonally he was a nightmare.

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Yeah no, no, the last
person that you're right, the last

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person got paid pretty well good,
you know what, still wasn't enough at

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a few zeros on as the Yeah, Dan, you're Heather, what's edging?

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O? What's edging? Oh?
I thought I thought you knew,

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Trey, Oh I did. I'm
just putting a response I like to do

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everybody listening, just pause it at
work on your work computer, go ahead

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and google it, turn off,
say search, and then come back to

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the podcast, and then you'll know. See that's such a lower way out

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of things you'd like for yourself that
way. I'm not culp what's edging?

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It depends. Are we talking about
using Microsoft Edge? The browser? I

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Edge all the time, which is
also pretty dangerous. The AI shit,

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it's crazy. So there's so much
to get to cover. But I wanted

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to mention so the whiskey bottle had
had to evolve over the years. I

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don't even know if you knew,
because a lot of people don't the original

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whiskey bottle that we all used and
I guess made famous, and a lot

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of people thought that it was a
sound effect. No, it's an actual

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bottle, practical effect. It was
the yeah, practical, practical is always

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better than you know. Fully was
the previous generation of Gentleman Jack. So,

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the previous generation of Gentleman Jack,
the big handle had a huge,

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fat, wide cork in it and
had just made that noise like you just

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heard, really really well. But
then somewhere in the mid two thousands,

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for whatever reason, Jack Daniels changed
the bottle to a screw top, and

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so that led to us then hoarding
every single cork bottle we could get our

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hands on from Gentleman Jack because the
other Jack bottles didn't have it. The

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single barrel was a small cork,
didn't sound the same. But since they

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changed that bottle over the years,
the ones we had saved disintegrated. Oh

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we even had so dj our old
engineer slash current remote engineer, even though

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he works at a different radio company. H he was the one you saw

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helping us get things set up at
the road show. The other day.

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We actually sent the whiskey bottle we
opened up a trouble ticket through the through

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the corporate channels at iHeartRadio and submitted
the old gentleman Jack Bottle for reconstruction.

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So engineering is in there. They're
used to soldering things and instead they're in

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they're they're all huddled together and like
this engineering pow wow, and they're trying

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to figure out how to save the
court in the last remaining gentleman Jack Bottle.

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And they were able to do it. They were able to prolong it

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by like a year, year and
a half yea, but eventually eventually it

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went away. But we found this
stuff. I'm not gonna lie. That

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looks like you would drink it out
of a bag, a paper bag.

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Is it fancy? I don't drink
alcohol really that much. It's not fancy.

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It's not particularly it's hasty. It's
one fourteen old granddad. Yeah.

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I mean just by the name,
it doesn't exactly exude, you know,

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class, It just honestly it sounds
like an unlicensed name they would use in

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a movie where they were like give
me a cup of and they really wanted

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to say Jack Daniels, but they
couldn't get the licensing and are like old

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Granddad one fourteen exactly, which means
that there was one hundred and thirteen that

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got rejected beforehand. So you know, it's good. But we just hold

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onto your tips because one seventeen is
going to be great. Yeah. So

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it took a while, but we
found a very comparable quirk bottle. But

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since you mentioned it, I figured
it needed to make an appearance at it.

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Oh it did, Thank you.
You're making it feel like home.

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I mean, I remember where I
was the first time I ever heard the

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show. Oh where was that?
And wait, what year and how old

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were you? Um? It was
you picture this? It was late two

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thousand and four. I like how
Trey you dis immediately went to like a

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mid nineties chat room age sex location. Okay, well considering I mean,

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and this is sad, but you
know we now you know, Dan would

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spanned twenty two years of the show, so I there's a lot of iterations

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that have come and gone, and
so it does it does help a little

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bit to know that what time frame
we're talking. Yeah, it's like watching

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back to the future. Where do
we fall at the timeline? Like people

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that were conceived while listening to the
show are now old enough to drink in

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Tray's bar. That's what's going on
here. I just got chills and nauseous

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at the same time. So,
so where were you when? Where?

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How all that picture? This?
Mesquite, Texas, two thousand and four.

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Um, we were parked by the
Lake Gray Hubbard, part of mesquiteoff

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of thirty and belt line, kind
of in the woods where the only part

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of the lake you can see is
where they have like the electric plant over

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there. And I was dating a
guy at the time. It was like

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first not really first boyfriend, but
like early dating. And he drove a

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really cool niece on Ultima and we
were at the lake and we were gonna

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like make out at the lake,
but we were listening to Russ Martin the

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show with you guys, and then
um, things were escalating and I was

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like such a good girl, had
never done anything and didn't know what to

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do. And then the next show
came on after you guys, and I

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think you were on one oh five
three at the time, and I can't

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remember what it was on after was
it not? Well? Hang on.

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This is where the year comes in
handy because there was a there was a

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revolving door slash carros cell slash couple
cars of night shows. It was like

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a cringey older person who like an
older guy, who who is it?

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That's the one? That's the one. Yeah, the guy that the guy

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that basically threw out every bumper sticker
as if it was his own comedy uh

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makings. If you get him to
do it, Dan does and really good,

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like as impersonation. Man, please
hear it. That's gonna need more

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whiskey. Okay, take a couple
of spaces. Honestly, t it's been

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years since I've even tried that damn
thing. But seriously, I remember listening

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to it talk about like, you
know what inspired you to be a broadcaster?

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You guys were so good, and
it's like, man, someday I'll

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be as funny as them, maybe, and I can have a show with

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my friends. And then you hear
that and I'm like, well, I

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could at least do better than that. Um But that y'all show ended and

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the second show came on, and
I was like, I'm not gonna give

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my first hand job to find tom
likeas so I was like, absolutely not.

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So I just lied and was like, oh my gosh, I have

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a curfew and I have to get
home. Now, and so he drove

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me home and then I looked on
asked Jeeves how to do all that?

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And then next time I love how, I love how your curfew was.

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When was when Inner Sandman came on? That meant Tom likeas the show was

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starting talk about dried up. I
was like, oh no, I can't

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get down to this. We gotta
go home. I cannot make out to

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this. I just asked Jeeves reference
and thrown in there to you. I

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don't know, See everybody's talking about
chat GPT is so good. I was

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there, my dude. It was
called it was called ask Jeeves. I

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asked Jeeves how to do the old
fashioned and anything any base thereafter pretty much

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all learned it from Jeeves. Oh
yeah, so you you had asked Jeeves.

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I believe. I also remember like
goes the dog. Oh yeah,

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yeah, the dog will go fetch
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things are so fancy with chat GPT, I know. And that's what's amazing

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job as a quote unquote chat GPT
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was just that was just you know, Internet searching when we all had dial

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we had to dig deep, but
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has made us all so lazy.
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stuff on asked Jeeves, you'd have
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specific, well phrased question. So
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two of results, it was going
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you one line after the other loading? I remember all those Yeah, trying

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to look at pictures back in the
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I was trying to download one pixel
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up. You know, so videos
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of the question. That would have
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been like you have to like start
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come back and hopefully it'll be halfway
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it with a photo or a gift. But the problem with the photo is

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it starts, you know, revealing
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the time you get you know,
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go below the waist and there might
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counting on. Dan, that's why
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let it load, baby, let
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you know it's you're saying like,
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has it got to be so much
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know what's normal, but if you
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if you're feeling it, you're feeling
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my sexuality in my later years that
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all kinds of people, from all
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like, yeah, hell yeah,
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gotta play it, Just play it
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you were able to come to grips
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Tom Mike is about wreck mush and
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the grasp from that, from the
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my life. I like to think
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yeah, past some of those things, because in your career, whatever it

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is, you want to be able
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the day, whereas, uh,
now you fast forward and you and your

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co host on Sinister Hood have reached
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Now things have gone reversed. We're
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up at shows like yours thinking how
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ideas to eventually not have to worry
about any other side hustles or any other

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jobs. You can just focus on
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and you're doing it. Oh yeah, I mean that's it's a good that's

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a good way to put it.
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you in my this is how we
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like huge fan of the show,
and it was genuinely I emailed you from

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a place of gratitude because but for
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kid cratic in the morning growing up, which I just saw his daughter she

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has a podcast and this whole month
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gonna listen to that because listening to
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I practiced law for six seven years
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and now I pretty much the only
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for the entity the you know that
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and I have a media company where
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been great. Yeah, you're right, it's it's cool the way the landscape

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is turning. But you guys are
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platform wise and all that. So
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the moves. It's just great to
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as to say, Trey and I
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big sister show that we've never actually
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guys as big brothers honestly, of
like, oh, that's my big brothers.

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They're so wild, they're always doing
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love that. Well, how nice? Well yeah, so now now,

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so what we have now, Trey
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like I feel like we're the parents
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trying to teach us how to use
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like it'd be like me, go
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just just use that. It's all
in one. Why did you have

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to go and make it way worse? Trade I like, I like my

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my assessment, and my assessment made
me feel okay with things. And you

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just you just you saw me down
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Shut up. Then earlier when you
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about our different text backs. I
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want me to come over and set
your computer up for you? But genuine

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question, do you want me to
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for me? You know I haven't. I haven't used this yet today miss

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finds here? Yeah, there we
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Let's get Rodney Anderson into the treehouse right

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now. His phone number that you
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hundred. His website with great info
Rodney Anderson dot com. So, Rodney,

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we talk a lot about credit card
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really for someone to get out of
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You know, Dan. One thing
that gets in people's way all the

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time is debt, whether it's credit
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get out of debt. A lot
of people are living paycheck to paycheck or

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paycheck the three days before paycheck,
and we've had so many people move forward

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with cash out refinances and it just
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recovery, stops in fighting with their
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being able to sleep at night.
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have good, excellent credit, you
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home, let's see if the cash
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you. Yeah, Rodney, you
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something that can strain every aspect of
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a situation you're in, you need
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Big Sister podcast Finish Hood. Yes, Hello, thank you for having me

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in this treehouse. Although I have
to if I may be so bold,

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I know I am but a guest
in the treehouse, White Dan O'Malley.

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Why do you have a bang swing
behind like a banghang a bang? What?

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What is I mean? I am
being bold in assuming that you've been

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doing lascivious things. Maybe it's a
chill hammock, but it looks like you

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have a sex swing over your shoulder. What is happening. Yeah, I

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should have taken that down before I
hit record on the show today. Welcome

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to the Treehouse. Excuse my BDSM
layer behind me. Aren't you in an

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Airbnb? What it's your rent?
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that, you know, at least
in Fifty Shades of Gray, who's the

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guy in the book Fifty Shades of
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at least he had to tack to
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At this Airbnb, they have it
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shoulder you can see the what they
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a sex swing. And over this
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it's also like borderline live laugh love
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Shades of Gray via home Goods,
and it's not a vibe I'm into,

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but you do you Welcome to Dallas. Welcome back home, baby. You

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know what's what happens when you get
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lower Greenville area, So you're gonna
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spree. And honestly, I actually
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had taken the bang hang down at
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at it and I realized, without
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hook, and that looks way worse. And I didn't want to leave that

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open to interpretation. So I thought, let's just but the bohemian thing back

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up there. Get your door opens, to get an Uber Eats order or

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something. They're gonna be like,
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the app. He's got rope singing
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you're a serial killer, and not
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things sinister, and so my brain
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low key threat. So that's on
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If I get my Chipotle delivered and
I opened the door and it looks

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like I'm about to start up a
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Welcome to my ambion being, they're
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on the ground. By Yeah.
So I'm also glad you brought up the

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show again because I want to ask
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guys have been doing it now for
like five years, and I love the

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way that you It's everything in the
business now is an entertainment business. Business

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in journal everything's always about an elevator
pitch. You have to have a very

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short version on how to describe what
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and yours and correct me if I'm
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all things sinister. Yeah, that's
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can cover anything from like a true
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when I worked at a big law
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the Innocence Project were our firm was
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interested in wrongful convictions and exonerations.
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probably not going to be a funny
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case. We'll just put the heads
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we did one home on on Killer
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now, it's not quite funny,
but it's fascinating. We're talking about the

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Rua Zimbabwe Ufo incident, where like
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this flying saucer and then these beings
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and of course in nineteen ninety four
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crazy kids are making it up.
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still remember, and I don't tell
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it. So you kind of so
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in that it was kind of a
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anything that's like weird, creepy,
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a legal angle, we'll hit that, and if there's a comedy angle,

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we'll really hit that. So I
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about it because so many popular podcasts, because before we started this show in

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the digital form, I don't Number
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ass. Number two. I really
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research wise on various things, especially
if I'm attaching my name to it.

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podcasting research, I'm seeing, you know,

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you know, the types of shows
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the ones that are anchored by celebrities. I've told people that a lot in

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the past. People be like,
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I was thinking about doing a podcast. It was like, either go really

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narrow or go get famous. Then
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successful, but some of the most
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just become just just become a multi
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and people will pay you a bunch
of money to do a podcast.

406
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:14.759
Otherwise it's a very steep climb.
But on that front, people would have

407
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.400
I just started to lose my train
of thought. The ADHD's kicking in.

408
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:23.599
Also that old granddad didn't help.
You're talking about niches or went and when

409
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.400
you wanted to start and doing research, and you do research for the show.

410
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.720
Some of the most popular podcasts are
true crime or it's all horror stuff.

411
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.559
Yours, you're able to broaden it
out a little bit so it's not

412
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.799
so narrow, because there's no way
I'd be able only to do one topic,

413
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.640
because that's not how Trey and I
grew up in We need to have

414
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:48.079
some flexibility here and that's what you
guys have. It's a comedy aspect about

415
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.880
all things sinister, as you're pointing
out, can be a number of different

416
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.279
things. So now I'm hearing it's
definitely your fault that we cover all different

417
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.920
topics, because I'm like, I'm
not trying to cover one single topic the

418
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.559
sole time, because I was listening
to y'all show, and I was listening,

419
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.039
like I said, kid cratic show
very like different subjects. We also

420
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.759
like tangent and stories that we can
relate, and that's I mean, you're

421
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:10.119
right. That was a conscious choice
when we first started the show because also

422
00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.640
just from an emotional mental health perspective, that there are some cases where we'll

423
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.440
start to have nightmares about them,
especially if we look at a lot of

424
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.559
crime scene photos or cover it for
a long time, and that's when usually

425
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.759
the next episode after a series that's
really sad, we'll be something like a

426
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.480
cryptid or a weird urban legend or
something that's a little bit lighter, not

427
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.799
just for us but for the listeners
because people will get burnt out on that

428
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:36.240
too, and we try to be
really cognizant of the episode choices. When

429
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.119
we do cover true crime cases,
of like, what can we bring to

430
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:42.480
this discussion from either a like when
we covered lorraina Bobbit, that's obviously a

431
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:45.599
very famous case, but we wanted
to cover it through the lens of we're

432
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.319
now in twenty twenty two, and
how was this treated in the media,

433
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:52.799
how was the aftermath treated in the
media? Legally, because I'm an attorney,

434
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.079
why did these certain things happen?
Versus just kind of rehashing the same

435
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.359
thing. So if it's a we
get a lot of suggestions on certain cases

436
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.559
that have maybe been covered a ton, and unless there's an angle that we

437
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.599
can also cover, we just you
know, we're like, uh, maybe

438
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:11.119
someday if a new angle emerges.
But for the most part, it's just

439
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.599
what makes us interested, because if
we're interested, we think it'll be interesting.

440
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.319
That's a huge it's a huge thing. And I remember having to tell

441
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.519
a program director that one time,
uh, a PD came in, Ah,

442
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.240
you're all you're just in here.
This is this is not doing Russis

443
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:27.240
show. This is when I was
working at the Fan and Tom bigbecomes storming

444
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.400
in the studio doing a commercial,
breas what are you doing? You're just

445
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.119
in here making just you're just making
each other laugh, and it's like,

446
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.559
yeah, that's kind of been the
recipe for success around here for a while.

447
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:42.240
Just so yeah and so, and
kind of like what you were saying.

448
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.440
As far as some of the serious
stuff, can you can lose sleep

449
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.279
over that because you're looking at some
gnarly things. That's why, unintentionally we've

450
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.920
just stayed with the stupid. Because
when you stay with the stupid, like

451
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.079
we have for so many years,
you sleep like a baby. Also,

452
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:02.519
you know, under promise, natural
naturally. Yeah, that's the only way.

453
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:03.839
Yeah, let's not fight it.
Yeah, no, don't fight it,

454
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.160
just lean it. So my husband
says, turn into the skid.

455
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.559
Just turn into it. That's also
a huge lesson. That's not just you

456
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:17.279
know, podcasting or broadcasting or radio. I think that's a life lesson of

457
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.359
one. You really are supposed to
turn into the skid, if you know,

458
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:25.519
literally, but also when you know
life throws certain things at you,

459
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.599
instead of fighting it, sometimes it's
best you just kind of lean into it

460
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.200
a little bit. It's crazy how
it works. It's weird how it works.

461
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.440
Like we did a minisote, so
we have a Patreon where we have

462
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.480
exclusive content and one of the things
we do is minisots, So it's like

463
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.480
a it's supposed to be a thirty
minute like miniature episode, we can't stop

464
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.319
ourselves are almost always an hour or
longer. But Christy, my co host,

465
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.359
got really sick. She had like
the flu, and so we thought,

466
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:49.680
well, you know, we can't
record. We can't. I'm not

467
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.240
going to go on the air by
myself. So we had this minisotea about

468
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.960
mcgrufth the Crime Dog, and I
had purchased in McGruff the Crime Dog nineteen

469
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:03.079
eighty four puppet and yeah, oh, I mean it's like in my studio

470
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:07.440
already I have it, but I
but we we just covered like the history

471
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.359
and the background of it, and
we release that as our episode. In

472
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:11.279
you on the one hand, you're
like, oh man, we need to

473
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.319
be putting out new content, but
also your health is important. She needed

474
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.880
a rest. She's got two kids
too, you know, make sure everybody's

475
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.720
healthy. But then my husband took
that and made a little video about one

476
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.200
of the moments in our episode and
it got a million views on TikTok and

477
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.359
it went viral. A piece of
content that would not have existed but for

478
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.319
her happening to get the flu and
getting sick. So you turned my husband's

479
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:33.480
like turn into the skid. I'll
make him McGruff video, give me the

480
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.559
footage. And then and also now
the crime Dog goes on tour with us,

481
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.960
and oh oh god, I'm putting
all the pieces together right now,

482
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.880
you guys, Oh my god.
So McGruff has kind of is kind of

483
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.720
my alter ego. I do the
voice for it, and he's you tell

484
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.880
me if this sounds like somebody that
you've ever known in your life, living

485
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.359
or dead. He's got kind of
a gruff voice. He's fairly vulgar,

486
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.599
he's very sexual, and he hits
on my co host see a lot.

487
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.519
And I believe one of the things
he said in the episode was I don't

488
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.480
When offered a Goop Gwyneth Paltrow branded
candle, McGruff said, I don't want

489
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:15.960
to candle that smells like Gwyneth Paltrow's
clam. And I think that subconsciously McGruff

490
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:22.880
is like inspired heavily by Russell coming
together me telling you about McGruff. Right,

491
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.240
I feel like you need a therapy
session with some other dolls pointing about

492
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:31.640
where you're touched. Joe was where
McGruff touched you because I can even see

493
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:35.079
it in my mind because like mcgull, you're walking the you know, like

494
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.799
you're walking somewhere in a nice,
quiet neighborhood the middle of the day.

495
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.000
You reach the corner, and then
out from the corner pops McGruff the crime

496
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.839
Dog, and then he opens up
his trench coat. I think she's about

497
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.640
to whip McGruff out as she is. I just hope we're still talking about

498
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.279
the dog that is that is a
McGruff the crime Dog. Actually, McGruff

499
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.759
the Crime Dog looks a little more
like Freddie Mercury right now. So he

500
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:04.279
hang on. So he has like
a trench coat that he'll wear when he's

501
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.759
on tour. He has little crocs
because my co host Christie and I love

502
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.400
crocs, so he got little baby
McGruff crocs. But when he's on tour,

503
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.000
he'll wear like a Hawaiian shirt that
my mom made for him and then

504
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.640
kind of have like his hands.
He'll wear some khaki shorts. But he's

505
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.599
this is like lounging around the house
McGuff. So he's got the regular pants

506
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.680
and then a build a Bear crop
top on. But yeah, he's um,

507
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.119
he's pretty. He's a horn dog, especially for my call. He

508
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.079
doesn't really like me. He doesn't
really want me to anytime I talk to

509
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.960
him, he's like, you're still
here. But for the most part,

510
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.799
he's in love with Christie. Gotcha. Although I did notice we're a very

511
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:44.559
brief moment it looked like you have
a little bit of mannequin like puppeteering training

512
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.839
there, because it looked like for
a moment there you and you and McGruff

513
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:51.400
we have we're having a moment.
Oh yeah, I do. That's what

514
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.039
it's turning looking right at you like
on our I think it's on our YouTube,

515
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.799
but there's a video version of that
episode just because we filmed it.

516
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.160
Because oh that was the other thing. The McGruff puff that talked throughout his

517
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.759
own episode, And people were freaked
out because like as we were talking,

518
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.759
if I would talk, McGruff would
be like nodding and agreeing, and I

519
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.400
was freaking people out. But I
just watched a lot of Sesame Street as

520
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.320
a kid, and I thought it's
triloquism. That's the word. I was

521
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.840
trying to think. Thank you,
Dan's brain. I can't. Christie is

522
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.800
terrified of ventriloquist dummy. So if
there was, she wouldn't enter my house.

523
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.360
If I had a ventriloquist dummy.
It's bad enough with the puppet,

524
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.639
and I have like giant life sized
Blues Brothers statues and all this ship behind

525
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.199
me is game over. If there
was a dummy in here. She doesn't

526
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.480
want to go see a Jeff Dunham
show. No, No, that sounds

527
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:37.239
like she would talk about needing therapy
and dolls and pointing to dolls. She

528
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.599
would be horrified. That is that
is her hell. I mean, I

529
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.159
don't even care about puppets. I
would be horrified too. But just because

530
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.199
of the comedy. I always love
I always always love all comedians, just

531
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.800
always dog on Jeff Dunham. No, I was gonna say, he's trying

532
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.159
his best, is he? Though? You know what those Sometimes you don't

533
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.840
have to try your best. I
mean I've I've I've seen and heard multiple

534
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.400
examples of people just kind of sucking
and still being successful. I'm telling you

535
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.760
that's what like I said when I
heard Tomlikeas, I was like, I

536
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.000
could be on the radio, this
guy, I'm fine and you never saw

537
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:17.639
him. Yeah, that's do you
imagine? Imagine Trey. See if see

538
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:24.159
if my physical description of Tomlis holds
up to your actual visual, you know,

539
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:32.920
sightings of the man. He looks
like a trucker that you would find

540
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:42.639
at a rest stop outside a Lubbock
at around three am. And short.

541
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.280
Oh interesting he I listen. I
only heard his voice, but I found

542
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:51.400
it threatenings like, oh, I
wouldn't want to go near that, in

543
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:57.079
whatever form it was. I'll give
you. Do you did? Do you

544
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:04.840
remember um tropic thunder? Okay,
yes, okay, imagine a Tom Cruise's

545
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.079
character, but more slovenly okay,
fantastic, yes, exactly, not bald.

546
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:13.800
Tom did have us here, also
actually despiting. Yeah, despite everything

547
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:15.880
that you heard about him on the
air and the persona that he, you

548
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.079
know, put out there, he
was actually a very very nice man.

549
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.360
Oh that's nice. So he was
in Dallas For some reason, I thought

550
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.599
he was like syndicated from another city. I think I'm thinking, oh he

551
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.599
was in La Yeah, he would
come visit and uh. But and the

552
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.480
funny thing is, believe it or
not, Tom Las actually started out doing

553
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:40.000
he is a Basically he wanted to
do left wing talk and obviously that didn't

554
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.760
catch on. So he developed a
stick that he did. He was really

555
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.800
nothing like his stick. Oh that
must be so difficult to live a life

556
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.440
different than your persona on there,
because I like, I'm very open with

557
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.000
my personal life. So it's Christie
on the air, and I don't have

558
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:59.519
it in me to pretend to be
like another person or like two different things.

559
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.480
And so like a listeners saw me. We talk on the air,

560
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:05.239
how like we love Crocs, like
I said, and we joked at our

561
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:08.599
company uniform. Are these Taco Bell
slides that were just released at say Live

562
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.280
moss on the feet of them?
You actually have that? Oh yeah no,

563
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.079
I'm one says Live and one says
moss. Um all made crocs.

564
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.199
Hell yeah, they did Croco bill. They're so comfortable. There's slides next

565
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.599
level. They are the most comfortable
crocs I have. What's what's what's a

566
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:31.039
slide? Yeah, crocs. Crocs
have like fronts closed on him. Slides

567
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:34.679
are like sandals, so like your
toes to come off the end. And

568
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:37.320
um so my our producer Tommy,
who's married to my co host Christie,

569
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:43.960
he's a Taco Bell enthusiast slash expert
and he's kind of started like a mini

570
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:49.480
Coal with our listeners called Bellhouse Supreme
hailed a Bell and when these came out,

571
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.360
he ordered them for Christie, himself
and me, and we all like

572
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.920
there are times that we're all hanging
out working we're not working and all wearing

573
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:05.000
or matching Taco Bell crocs. But
that's anyway. But because I'm very open

574
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.000
about my croc love and everything,
I love Doctor Pepper, I love just

575
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:13.639
Bluebell. I'm very Texan and somebody
we were getting ready for a live stream

576
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.320
last month and I was leaving this
Albertson's where there's a very famous story on

577
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.280
our show where Christie had an incident, a bowel movement incident in the parking

578
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.920
lot of the Castle. Into Albertson's
Dallas episode thirteen, it's like nineteen minutes

579
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.280
in would recommend and I mean to
go listen to that one. Definitely.

580
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.920
I was at that Albertson's before the
live stream, wearing the Taco Bell crocs

581
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:39.159
in a Third Man Records like Jack
White T shirt because we've talked about how

582
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.199
much we love Jack White on the
air carrying the Doctor Pepper float ice cream

583
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.320
a thing of diet coke. Chris
Christie is well known for her diet coke

584
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.960
love and a thing of doctor Peppers
zero sugar, which is my drink.

585
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.400
And a person drives by in a
carns like, hey, I love sinisterhood.

586
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.920
I was holding the doctor pepper in
my hand and I just waved it.

587
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.159
I go, thanks, man.
It's great for them. They got

588
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.519
to see you in like in your
natural habitat. It was like you you

589
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.440
guys in the wild. You were
there bigfoot sighting. I was. I

590
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.199
was like, because if they're ever
like, oh I bet she doesn't wear

591
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.880
those taco boll crocs and pub like
oh I do. I was at the

592
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.679
store and them, if I remember
correctly. So it's been a while since

593
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:25.679
I've been in that little that Costalinda
intersection, you know at grand I think

594
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.920
that Albertson's didn't used to be a
grocery store. I think all the way

595
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.519
back when I was in like third
or fourth grade. If it's the exact

596
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.599
spot of the intersection I'm thinking of, it was a movie theater. That

597
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.800
movie theater at Casalinda. That's like
I said, it's not there now,

598
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.320
or are you thinking of natural grocers
across the street. That's what it is.

599
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.519
I think I was right, So
it was a yeah, so it

600
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:50.880
was a grocery store, but Albertsons, Yeah, it across the street.

601
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.679
But that Natural Grocers is where I
saw Iracnophobia as a kid. Sound okay,

602
00:39:54.559 --> 00:40:00.519
Arachnophobia. That's a good movie.
Man, It's scared. It scared

603
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:01.840
the crap out of me as a
kid, obviously, just because I was

604
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:08.800
young and I couldn't reach for the
little chain on a lamp for weeks because

605
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.639
there's that one brief moment or someone
sticks her hand to pull the chain and

606
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.320
the spider drops in the hand,
bites and kills them. No have you

607
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.199
ever seen it? I? Oh, god, A long time agohen I

608
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.880
was a kid. There's like that
one, like The People Under the Stairs,

609
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.239
Candy Man, a lot of like
nineties horror. I remember either my

610
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.119
sister would watch it, like Candy
Man. I didn't watch until I was

611
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.480
an adult because my sister watched it
at the theater and was so traumatized.

612
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.000
She was like a preteen when it
came out, and Mom was like,

613
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.039
you're never allowed to watch that movie. It'll traumatize you. And then I

614
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.239
it turns out I went to the
college in Chicago where they filmed the college

615
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:45.400
professor scenes. That was all Uice
Go Flames, Chicago. It was a

616
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.000
good commuter school. It's great,
but so that type of old like horror

617
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.559
movies. I have like a vague
memory slash like, I don't think I'm

618
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.480
supposed to watch that. It's gonna
scare me too much. Oh yeah,

619
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.719
no. The actually funny, funny, very brief sidebar. The actor that

620
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:07.679
played Candy Man, his name was
Tony Todd. I believe had him on

621
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.920
my weekend show all the way back
in like two thousand and eight. He

622
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.000
was in town for a horror convention. Yeah, so I interviewed him the

623
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.440
week before his appearance and then like
the next I'm sorryst the night before,

624
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.800
then the next day and went and
met him. Super sweet guy, nothing

625
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.000
like a hook wielding mass murderer from
beyond at all. He's like so such

626
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.599
a good actor though you believe it. You're like, he's so nice in

627
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.280
a life but terrifying. Yeah.
And it's funny because he's doing, you

628
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.519
know, the thing where he's there
to do signings and things, and because

629
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.199
he was so good at it,
people would start to go up to his

630
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.800
table and then some might just kind
of back up a little bit and just

631
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.039
kind of do a half circle around
us table, just because the movie freaked

632
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.360
him out that much. Man,
he's good man, he freaked him out

633
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.440
all those conventions. The secret I've
realized. You can't quite see it,

634
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.199
but above my shoulder, I have
a picture of myself and John Cusack at

635
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.320
one of those because and we look
like we're in love. And it's like

636
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.800
an engagement photo because you know,
you wait in line to take your photo.

637
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.119
And when I went up there,
instead of being like, h Hi,

638
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.960
my name is Heather, I went
hey John, and he went hey

639
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.159
because I think he thought he was
to know me. And then he gave

640
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.840
me this huge hug and then we
turn it look at the camera like and

641
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.239
everyone's like, why does John Cusack
snarl in some of these photos, but

642
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.760
in yours you look like you're in
love. And I was like, I

643
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:27.480
guess let him. It's nice,
too nice to do it to a man

644
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:34.239
for a change, right, exactly, that's right, let's see the John

645
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.760
Cusack. I was actually just talking
about him the other day. I was

646
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.039
telling my wife that the she's never
seen better off dead. Okay, So

647
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:44.039
I was telling her it's just like, of all the things and all the

648
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.679
John Cusack movies. Of many of
the things that he's done, the things

649
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.920
that stick with me the most is
the kid on the bicycle who wants us

650
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.719
two dollars. Yes, that's such
a good role. When I was a

651
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.079
kid, I would get obsessed with
celebrities, and then I would watch every

652
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.760
single movie in there, like on
their IMDb page, including John Cusa because

653
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:04.480
I've seen that and I did it
with like Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert Dunning Jr.

654
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.679
I would just get really fixated,
and my mom would take me to

655
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.079
like Blockbuster Hollywood Video and I would
be like, I need to rent this

656
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.039
art film and she's like, what
is this about. It's like a French

657
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:15.639
film. I'm like, Leonardo DiCaprio
has a four second cameo in it.

658
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.039
She's like, all right, rhythm. But I would end up watching these

659
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.920
like weird. I shouldn't have watched
some of those, but it had Leo

660
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.280
in it, so I had to
see it. And so did you have

661
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:31.760
you seen less than Zero? When
you Robert Dunn. I don't care how

662
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:37.320
many iron Mans he is. There
are some scenes in that movie that I'll

663
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.440
always see the rest of my life. Are you sure, you're only iron

664
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:49.719
Man for real, he man.
You're listening to the treehouse. Visit us

665
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:58.960
online that treehouse OnAir dot com.
Let's welcome in Daniel Cook from Cook's DFW.

666
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.119
Roofing and rest are here in the
Treehouse. The phone number eight three

667
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:06.920
three Cook DFW. That's eight three
three Cook DFW or the website Cook dfw

668
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.199
dot com. Let's say the inevitable
happens, storm rolls through and just unfortunately

669
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.159
decimates somebody's home. The first thing
they need to do is give you a

670
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.920
call at eight three three Cook DFW. They also need to call their insurance,

671
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.599
but that's not where it stops.
You will actually help that homeowner work

672
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:28.800
with their insurance company. Right,
absolutely, Dan, And really a majority

673
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.400
of the time, unless it's a
huge storm, we would highly suggest calling

674
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.519
us out there to verify the level
of damage, because not all storms are

675
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.119
the same, and just because there's
a large storm in the neighborhood may not

676
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:43.400
mean that your house has a lot
of damage. You may have tree coverage,

677
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.920
you may have other things. But
the real problem is that people will

678
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:51.480
try to go and call insurance,
they'll do the claim process themselves. They

679
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:53.719
just think that their insurance is going
to follow everything for of them and take

680
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.119
care of them. Well, then
we get on the property and we figure

681
00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.320
out, you know what, they
forgot to look at the garage door had

682
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.920
big denson. Oh, they only
covered five hundred linear feet of fence,

683
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:07.199
and this fence actually is a thousand
because it's both sides are their pull equipment

684
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.239
may have got damaged and they didn't
see that right away, and so now

685
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.320
it puts the homeowner in the middle
of getting their home taken care of because

686
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.559
we weren't on site with the entrance
company verifying the level of damage and walking

687
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:22.320
with that adjuster making sure that their
customer was fully justified in their claim.

688
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.840
Because they're going to have a claim, our goal is to make sure they

689
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:28.280
maximize their claiming, they get everything
that they're entitled to to get their home

690
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.960
and their property back to pre loss
condition. This is why you need the

691
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.400
help of an expert, and this
is why we recommend in the treehouse Cook

692
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.000
DFW Roofing and Restoration. Let them
help you by calling eight three three cook

693
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:45.320
DFW eight three three cook DFW or
cookedfw dot com, visit us online a

694
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:52.280
treehouse fire dot com. It's Jacklin's
turn to get in the treehouse from Brooks

695
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.280
Plumbing. The phone number two one
four three six eight thirty eight thirty eight.

696
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.280
That's two one four three six eight
thirty eight thirty eight. The website

697
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.039
is Brooks Plumbing Texas dot com.
And that's really essential today because I was

698
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.480
looking through your website, Jacqueline today
and notice you've added a new section called

699
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:12.599
recent projects. And that's a very
cool thing to do because people can go

700
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.119
to the website Brooks Plumbing Texas dot
com right across the top, click on

701
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:22.079
recent projects. They can see all
the services that you that you and your

702
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:28.360
guys have done, along with Google
reviews. Yeah, it's it's actually new.

703
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.239
I don't it's maybe been a couple
of weeks since it's been up there.

704
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:35.280
So what my guys are doing is
when they go into the field,

705
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.960
they when they're done, we'll send
you a text message after they've left,

706
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.840
so you don't feel pressured to make
any decisions. That says, hey,

707
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.119
let us know how we did.
And you have a link and it clicks

708
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:49.400
and it takes the customer to Google
and it allows them to leave a review.

709
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.079
You can leave just stars, you
can write an essay. You can

710
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.840
write me a haiku and you know
anything, I don't care. But what

711
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.440
it does is when they leave a
review, it automatically ties it to the

712
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.159
website with a brief description of what
we did while we were there, and

713
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.480
it in essence kind of drops a
pin on the location. It doesn't say

714
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.400
your address, your neighborhood, nothing
like that. It just kind of says

715
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.920
what city you're in, and if
there's a neighborhood. So for example,

716
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.119
like my parents live in Planos,
so there's if I dropped a pin at

717
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.639
their house, it would say Old
Shepherd, but you wouldn't know which of

718
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.199
the fifty streets and Old Shepherd they
lived on. So your neighbors aren't going

719
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:30.559
to know if you know, your
nephew came and dropped, you know,

720
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.679
a tennis ball in your toilet.
It's still private. But it's really cool

721
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.960
because a lot of people are like, well, do you do this?

722
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:38.920
Do you do that? And how
much more comforting is it to know that

723
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:43.079
we do do those things, but
not only do we do them, but

724
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.159
the customers are happy and maybe we
did it in your neighborhood already, And

725
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.280
you know how much comfort is that
going to bring you. I that's a

726
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.320
big thing for me. If a
contractor doesn't answer the phone when I call

727
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.079
them the first time, I'm never
calling you again. I do not chase

728
00:47:55.159 --> 00:48:00.719
contractors. And I want to know
that you've been in business for a while

729
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.599
and that your customers are happy with
you. Why would you want to work

730
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.000
with somebody who has unhappy customers?
What a nightmare? Well that's definitely not

731
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.840
how we operate in the Treehouse,
and that's why we recommend you and Rooks

732
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:15.039
Plumbing. So give them a call
for any and all of your plumbing once

733
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.320
and needs. Two one four three
six eight thirty eight thirty eight. That's

734
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.079
two one four three six eight thirty
eight thirty eight. And go to that

735
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:23.159
website. Check out all the great
stuff there, all the services offered,

736
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:28.039
and those recent projects very cool to
look at at Rooksplumbing Texas dot com.

737
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:37.960
You're listening to the Treehouse visitors online
that Treehouse on air dot com. This

738
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:43.239
segment of the Treehouse is brought to
you by Brooks Plumbing their phone number two

739
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.880
one four three six eight thirty eight
thirty eight. That's two one four three

740
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:51.000
six eight thirty eight thirty eight.
The website Rooks Plumbing Texas dot Com for

741
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:55.000
any and all of your plumbing once
and needs, whether you've got a massive

742
00:48:55.199 --> 00:49:00.880
just water storm happening inside your house
or you just want one of those faucets

743
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.920
set phill up your pasta pot,
which is kind of cool. Do they

744
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.079
install the days? They also installed
the days? How did they do installed

745
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:13.159
the days? I have? One
time I had a toto bi day at

746
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.159
a hotel in Montreal, and I've
thought of it every day since. I

747
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:19.159
miss it like an old lover.
I'll have to call them. You should,

748
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.719
because I Jacqueline from Brooks Plumbing would
be more than happy to help you

749
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.880
out, set you up and to
make sure you get your TOTOE nice.

750
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.239
The phone number again two one four
three six eight thirty eight thirty eight.

751
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.360
The website Rooks Plumbing Texas dot com. Trey, you said that there was

752
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.400
something else you wanted to ask either
before before we close up the treehouse for

753
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.159
the day. Oh yeah, because
you mentioned the story about the elementary school

754
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:45.639
kids who saw the was that in
Nigeria? It was in Rua Zimbabwe?

755
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:51.039
Okay, Zimbabwe? Wasn't that the
one where like they separated them all and

756
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.880
but they all drew. They basically
all had the same story, and they

757
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:59.360
all drew a very similar picture of
what they saw. That's what it really

758
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.360
made it of the more compelling,
you know, alien sightings, whatever you

759
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:06.039
want to call it UFO sightings,
was that initially when it happened, the

760
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:07.760
kids were only out there like ten
to fifteen minutes by themselves, but they

761
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.960
all said it felt like much longer. And then sixty kids turn and run

762
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.199
to the schoolhouse and I'll just start
screaming similar versions of the same story.

763
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.599
But where I mean, first of
all, if you've tried to get sixty

764
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.159
adults to all agree on the same
story, much less sixty kids much less

765
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:27.000
in like ten minutes. So then
the teachers, of course you got to

766
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.760
go back to class separate them.
But the third grade teachers said that the

767
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.239
kids were like traumatized, like they
were shocked. I mean, they just

768
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.920
had these creatures that they described almost
in like black scuba suits with very pale

769
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:42.480
faces and big black almond shaped eyes
that one of the kids described as a

770
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.679
lake of calmness that drew you in. And so they're terrified, and some

771
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.960
of the teachers were like, shut
up, you didn't see anything. Stopped

772
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:52.360
talking about it, which was very
traumatizing for many of them into adulthood.

773
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:54.320
But then one of the teachers was
really sweet and said, okay, well,

774
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.639
everybody, get out your journals and
write, you know, write what

775
00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.639
you want to say, you know, get it all out, and then

776
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.280
here's paper you can draw it and
tray. You're right. It was pretty

777
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.320
consistently described as a humming and buzzing
sound, but then it got silent.

778
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.559
As this craft landed. They said
it was silver ish but moved and almost

779
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.360
was reflecting the background of where it
was at and was almost glitching out.

780
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.280
And then these beings came out and
just stared at them. But they received

781
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:23.440
these messages telepathically, and so then
they called in. The journalists came in,

782
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.639
and there had been some sightings of
UFOs in the days before in other

783
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.639
areas which the government said, oh
it's meteorites or oh it's a Russian satellite.

784
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.519
Pieces are falling from a Russian satellite. Well, the I mean adults

785
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.000
who had witnessed things in the preceding
day said well, a Russian satellite would

786
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.519
move from space down to Earth.
You know, it's going to fall with

787
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.119
gravity. This was going up and
over and around and glowing. So I

788
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.920
don't think it was a chunk of
something falling. But when the kids were

789
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:53.559
later interviewed by Tim Leech with the
BBC and then later Cynthia Hind with Mufon,

790
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:58.440
she was the continental coordinator for MUFON, she was like, the thing

791
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.239
about Mufon that I love, which
is the UFO network that investigates this thing,

792
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:05.519
these type of things. They're not
trying to prove that it was aliens.

793
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:07.199
They just want to get to the
bottom of what this person saw.

794
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:12.480
And the answer is either explainable or
we can't explain it. Not Oh,

795
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.000
definitely this was aliens. And so
when Moufon came in, like you said,

796
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.159
she's interviewing them. There's video footage
of all the interviews with the kids,

797
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.159
both BBC Moufon and then later with
doctor John Mack, which was a

798
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:28.960
Harvard psychologist that came in that Tim
Leech from the BBC and Cynthia Hian called

799
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.039
in that when the interviews are conducted, it's on video, and in my

800
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:37.440
opinion and scientific rigor standards, he
was not asking leading questions and neither was

801
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.840
she. It would be like,
what'd you see and they're like, well,

802
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.000
the men came and they look like
this, what do you mean?

803
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.440
They looked like that? So they
would ask a lot of what do you

804
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:47.760
mean kind of questions and not so
when did you see the aliens? So

805
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:52.280
what kind of a silver, roundtop, flat bottom spaceship do you see?

806
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:53.719
They were like what happened when you
were having lunch? And they're like,

807
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:58.280
freaking dudes came from the freaking skuy
and told us that the world is going

808
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.440
to burn. So it's really I
mean, it's funny now when you look

809
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.360
at it, but it's really sad. There's a great documentary called Aerial Phenomenon

810
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.639
that it's on YouTube and Amazon and
Apple wherever you want to watch it.

811
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:14.679
But it follows them into adulthood and
into adulthood. One girl had gotten taken

812
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.239
from the school a couple of weeks
after the incident and moved back to Canada

813
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:21.320
with her family, and she drew
pictures from when she was little up into

814
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.519
her twenties that looked exactly like the
kids back in Zimbabwe. And it was

815
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:27.199
nineteen ninety four. She didn't have
the internet, she didn't have phone,

816
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.800
you know, she wasn't going to
call her friends back home. So you're

817
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:34.000
right, like all the images and
all the accounts like lined up, but

818
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.440
not in a way that was scripted, like it was different pieces of the

819
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:39.480
same account. It was really fascinating, and with me, it seems like

820
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:44.880
right now we're not talking about the
alien stuff enough because right in addition to

821
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:49.480
the story that that that you just
gave us a good chunk of all these

822
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.400
other newer things are happening. You
got the guy with the government who had

823
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.639
the highest clearance imaginable and said,
oh yeah, we got aliens, we've

824
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.519
got spaceships, We've got all this
stuff. And then a bunch of other

825
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.880
people came out after he went on
I think it was News Nation, and

826
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:07.679
he's trying to operate under some whistleblower
protections, and his colleagues are like,

827
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:08.880
oh, yeah, that dude's top
notch. You saw it. We love

828
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.719
that guy. But we we work
with him and we invite him to our

829
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:16.039
kid's birthday parties. He's not lying. And then and then the thing in

830
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:20.239
Vegas like a month or so ago, where the people calling Line one one.

831
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:22.280
We talked about it a little bit
here in the show about how they're

832
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:27.840
like there's some really like tall like
ten foot tall alien looking dudes in my

833
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.840
backyard, and Las Vegas PD's like, well, I gotta go check this

834
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:36.760
out because it seems interesting, and
also because it came after they saw a

835
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.519
you know, a flashing light or
a glowing light would ever come out of

836
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.440
the sky. And part of the
reason we played the audio, part of

837
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.639
the reason why the Las Vegas police
wanted to check it out was because one

838
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:49.480
of the guys on duty had seen
it as well. So they saw it

839
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.000
and then they get a call about
some ten foot tall weird looking dudes in

840
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.079
their backyard, like, yeah,
let's go check this out. You know

841
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:58.840
what The jerk thing was though about
the about those police there in Las Vegas.

842
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:00.599
They actually he said, this is
on his body. Gam He's like,

843
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.360
yeah, if you see it,
if you actually see something, don't

844
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:09.440
call us. You're on your own. Yeah, ghostbusters were Bro, You're

845
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:13.360
supposed to protect on occasion, you
know what I mean. The last thing

846
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.679
you want to do is tell us, citizen man, you're on your own.

847
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.920
If well, it's like to serve
and protect, not to serve and

848
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.239
protect and act out Independence Day,
because like that is a whole other set

849
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.880
of circumstances. It's not in the
job description, I know. But we've

850
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:29.840
all we've all I don't want to
speak for you rather, but we've all

851
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:37.800
fascinated. We've we've we've thought to
ourselves what it would be like to punch

852
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.440
an alien in the face and say
welcome to Earth. Honestly, yeah,

853
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.079
my thing is I don't want to
punch an alien because I don't know what

854
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:49.519
it could do in response to the
punch, because they've got I feel like

855
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.480
they're going to have like tentacles or
beat. The ones that the kids describe,

856
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.000
said I could. I wouldn't want
to punch the ones that the kids

857
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.000
describe, because they said they were
only like three or four feet tall and

858
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.079
had one Lady as she grew up
said the face look like it had so

859
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:06.800
much botox, like it was super
like lumpy and hard and plasticy. So

860
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:14.000
the aliens from Highland Park, it's
just a Highland Park. Pta She's like,

861
00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:19.079
excuse me, you kids are making
noise. So let's let's now introduce

862
00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.480
ourselves to the aliens. Aliens,
who are you? What is your name?

863
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.360
We're all named Karen. Well take
me to your manager. But you're

864
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.239
right though, all this alien stuff
I it feels wild because I have always

865
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:37.639
been a believer in supernatural and alien
and anything kind of woo woo. I'm

866
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.280
my co host is amazing. We're
like Molder and Scullie. She's very Acam's

867
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.679
razor. She's usually great. I
said, if you ever have a conspiracy

868
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.239
theory that you feel like is so
solid, say it to Christy Wallace and

869
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.280
within ten seconds she will have asked
you fifteen questions. She will have eviscerated

870
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.360
your conspiracy theory, and you will
be left like a shell of a person,

871
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.840
and not even in a mean way, just in a She's very she's

872
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.000
got a sharp eye for stuff,
Whereas I'm like accidentally sort of followed the

873
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:06.000
Wild World Country cult for like a
full year because I got this book and

874
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:10.280
I didn't google who it was written
by. My bad. I also recommended

875
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.239
it to people, which is mortifying, and who was it written by?

876
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.719
Um? It was a O show
which is the Rajniche Purum the people in

877
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.840
Wild World Country where they took over
the town in Oregon and then poisoned the

878
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.400
buffet and tried to like sound Oh
yeah yeah, yeah, I wasn't.

879
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.960
That was a Netflix documentary. Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah, it was

880
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.880
a Netflix documents. These days,
it sounds like Trey and my search history

881
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.719
on our on Netflix is very similar. And you're talking about ancient Aliens and

882
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.360
oh, yeah, there's a new
there's I think it's coming out on Monday.

883
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:43.039
There's a new documentary coming out about
because I do think there's a lot

884
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:50.440
to the fact that our historical timeline
is actually way off and there were civilizations

885
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.920
here before, you know, even
the Egyptians or everything else, and going

886
00:57:53.960 --> 00:58:00.360
back to pre Ice age. And
but there's one and it'll really screw with

887
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.880
religion and science, but there's one
you know, talking about they were making

888
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:08.440
discoveries that reshape the timeline up to
two hundred and fifty thousand years. Wow,

889
00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:12.360
well, it's funny you say that
it hits religion and science. And

890
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.159
that's what a lot of people are
calling all of this legitimized government discussion of

891
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.000
UFO phenomenon as an ontological crisis of
like we it's a crisis of faith in

892
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.920
a crisis of belief in existence and
what's the nature of this? And in

893
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.639
the Rua Zimbabwe case, you saw
one of the families that kind of immediately

894
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.440
moved away was this Christian missionary family, and one of the things they really

895
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:37.079
struggled with was listening to their children
and telling their children no, no,

896
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:38.840
no, aliens aren't real. And
then the kids going, well, you're

897
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.199
telling me to believe in God and
in angels, and I'm telling you I

898
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.320
physically saw something and you're saying no, no, no, you didn't see

899
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:49.039
that. So it's you're right.
It's an interesting I want to say,

900
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.719
crisis of faith. It's one of
those who can two things you know,

901
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.079
be true at the same time.
Take this with a grain assault over my

902
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.000
mantle. I have a sign that
looks kind of like that I want to

903
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.679
believe, like with the UFO from
X. But it says God might be

904
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:06.760
aliens, which my niece who's six, spelled out at Thanksgiving aloud and was

905
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:08.480
like God might be aliens And I
was like, good luck, sis,

906
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:14.360
good luck explaining that. Sorry.
Also time to put a parental warning on

907
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.360
the old podcast there. Yeah,
my whole entire house too. I mean,

908
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:21.400
the good news is at six,
she'll have an idea of what ontological

909
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:25.800
means. But it's just gonna make
Thanksgiving weird with the subject matter like our

910
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.360
is. She's it's like everyone in
bou your head. We're gonna say grace,

911
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.679
Thank you God. And also I
don't know any aliens up there that

912
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.760
might be listening. Thank you God. Slash Knu No, but you're right.

913
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.360
It is like what do we think
we know, but we have no

914
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.079
idea. Welcome to the real world. There's aliens. Thank you, Trey,

915
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.960
thank you, thank you for you
know, just you know, questioning

916
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.239
everyone's existence, which, by the
way, it doesn't have to be that

917
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:55.360
dangerous because I think you touched on
a great thing, Heather, which is

918
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.159
it is possible for two things to
exist and be true at the same time.

919
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:04.519
The world we live in, you
know, socially speaking, doesn't seem

920
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.599
to operate that way. It's if
you believe this, and that means you

921
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.719
don't believe this. It's like,
no, you can you can believe in

922
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:13.559
multiple things at the same time.
Not everything has to be some sort of

923
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:17.400
culture war. And let's be let's
the other you know, let's be frank,

924
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.840
if God exists and so did this
previous civilization. God may be thinking,

925
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:27.320
you know what, humans, you're
a little too small minded to truly

926
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.719
process this previous civilization. I'm just
not going to tell you about it right

927
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.159
now. You're not ready for the
prequels. No, it's like when you're

928
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:35.280
on a plane and it's going to
be like the four hour delay on the

929
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.880
tarmac. They only tell you thirty
minutes at a time, so you don't

930
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:40.440
riot when you know, when you
know you've read the news and you've heard

931
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.880
it's going to be three days,
and you're like, I'm going to get

932
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.480
off this plane one way or the
other. You don't want us to turn

933
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:47.960
and freak out like that. So
I hear you, but I think you're

934
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.760
right. I'm but I'm a zen
Buddhist, so I'm always just like it

935
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:53.239
could be that. It's it could
be that. It's like to me,

936
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:57.679
you're the truth is the truth,
and we can't necessarily know it. My

937
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.679
view of the truth is my opinion, and you're view of the truth is

938
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:02.800
your opinion. It's all just distilled
in the big Lebowski. That's just like,

939
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.079
and honestly, if we can take
all those things and then also just

940
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:08.920
you know, find a good kernel
of stupid in the middle of it,

941
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.599
Oh, everything's funny. That's the
thing too about being how I'm pretty unflappable

942
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:20.199
in that way of like a very
doodish and like roll with the punches at

943
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:22.559
certain things. And even when stuff
does go, you know, crazily wrong,

944
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:24.920
I'm like, I'll talk about it
on the air. It'll be funny

945
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.400
or all right about it. I'll
talk about it on stage when we're on

946
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.880
tour right now, so travel,
you know, crazy stuff happens when we're

947
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:32.840
traveling, and we're like, oh, we'll just talk about it on stage.

948
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:36.960
It's fine. Yeah. Not only
is it is it great for content,

949
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:42.280
but it's also on air therapy.
Exactly. Speaking of on air therapy,

950
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:46.280
hang a, there we go.
Wait, are you still gonna not

951
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.960
tell? Go ahead? What's your
question? I was gonna say, do

952
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:52.519
we fully cover your sex wing?
Because where you saying you had to drink

953
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:55.519
more earlier to talk about that?
Well, the only thing I think I

954
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.559
was going to mention is the airbnb
we're staying out is actually pretty cool,

955
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:05.239
but it's it's it's it's weird because
the you mentioned cults. Not to be

956
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:10.039
completely stereotypical here, but you women
in your showers. So our airbnb here

957
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.960
has by far my wife's favorite shower
of all time because it's basically a pressure

958
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.639
washer that spits out molten lava.
Oh, is it like one where it

959
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:22.559
comes over your head and then shoots
your body from the side. No,

960
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:27.559
if that's the crazy thing, it's
just one shower head. It's very typical

961
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:31.320
at an angle. But I'm serious. It's it's like something that should it

962
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:37.679
should be peeling skin. It is. It physically hurts me, and I'm

963
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.039
not I'm not embellishing that everything.
It physically hurts to wash my face because

964
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.920
I feel like I'm getting a like
a chemical peel from it. She's like,

965
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.440
hey, babe, I booked an
airbnb. Um, don't read the

966
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.639
reviews. The reviews are like bathroom
is a fire hose. She's like,

967
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.800
just, um, we've been on
the island for a minute. Why don't

968
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.480
you just take a shower real quick. Yeah. So the water's a little

969
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:02.719
softer there. It's it's more like
water on the island. This whereas this

970
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:09.199
shower head you should really have its
own sinister hood episode. It's destroying faces.

971
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:14.519
It's destroying faces. It's it's its
own cult. Because there's a line

972
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:19.079
of women down the street wanting to
take turns in this shower because they too

973
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.199
want to have their flesh melted.
Oh well, I might just speak because

974
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:25.039
I'm the dude ishes comeback. But
yeah, being like women love showers,

975
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:28.719
I'm like, oh, I need
to do that. That's a great reminder.

976
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:34.920
See some stereotypes are still safe.
Heather McKinney from sinister Hood podcast,

977
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.079
thank you so much for joining us
in the Treehouse today. It's it's been

978
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:40.480
an absolute pleasure. We can do
it again sometime if you don't mind slumming

979
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.880
it with us on occasion anytime.
I'm always happy to come home, So

980
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:51.800
look up sinister Hood Everywhere. Podcasts
are available, including some places I'm sure

981
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:53.599
we haven't even heard of yet to
post ours, but well we'll get there

982
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:57.199
eventually. So Heather, thank you
for that. Best of luck on the

983
01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:00.079
upcoming shows with the in person that
you and Christie coming up. For all

984
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.239
things Treehouse, go to Treehouse OnAir, dot com, follow us on social

985
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:06.280
at Treehouse on Air. For me
at the Dan O'Malley. For Trey,

986
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:11.519
it's at tree Train Home one and
Heatherwood throwing something else through. Oh yeah,

987
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.159
I'm pretty much everywhere at Heather versus
the world, sinister Hood is it's

988
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:19.199
like Sisterhood but sinister anywhere. On
socials it's either sinister Hood or sinister Hood

989
01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:23.280
Pod and we're on tour right now, our Full Moon Energy Tour, So

990
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.000
you can go to sinisterhood dot com
slash live shows if you are in Boston,

991
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.519
Brooklyn, Washington, d C,
Pittsburgh, Columbus, Ohio, or

992
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.360
Detroit. We'll see you in the
next few months. Trey wasn't a nice

993
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:39.000
of her to actually plug her stuff
even though she doesn't need to. Yeah,

994
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:41.960
she doesn't need to plug her stuff
in the treehouse. She's doing just

995
01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.599
five. That's cute. I'm an
additional person. Always be plug in.

996
01:04:48.760 --> 01:05:00.599
All right, We'll see you next
time in the treehouse. Two